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US vs. THEM

January 24th, 2007 at 06:22 pm

This is a bit of a rant...just to be up front.

A poster in the forums got my ire up yesterday, who the poster was and the content of his post is not important, however his attitude towards those receiving public benefits is. If you believe everyone receiving public benefits is a free-loading, Cadillac driving welfare Mama this post is not for you. I frequently encounter this perception from individuals who have no contact whatsoever with truly poor people.

I worked as an legal services attorney for 2 years. I saw 16-20 people a day, 5 days a week, and in that entire time I saw one person who may have been cheating the system. Does it happen, sure, should people who do that be prosecuted, definitely...but here is what I really saw

*Elderly couples surviving on $550 in social security benefits a month, waiting on the 99 cent hamburger day so they could buy one and stretch it for lunch for 2-3 days
*Mothers who live in section 8 homes that are so roach infested that they have to cover their children in netting over night so they won't get bitten by the roaches
*American families of Mexican descent who live in substandard housing and when they complain the landlord reports them to INS (of course they are citizens so INS figures that out after like 3 days, by which time they've already lost their jobs)
*16 year olds working double shifts at Burger King to try and hold their family together because mom is a crack addict and someone has to pay their portion of section 8 and buy food for the younger children
*Blind, disabled grandmas on Social Security, who Social Security randomly cuts benefits for and then restores them after 7 months of fighting with them

The point is when people are so blinded by self-pity that they get angry at the poor, it really ticks me off. The poor are us, we are all interconnected. There was a great strip years ago (I think by Horsey) that said us vs. them and then it had a large letter U and a large letter S and inside it said them in very small letters over and over again.

This is just my two cents and I hope I did not offend anyone, but that post from yesterday stayed with me all night and I just got more and more fed up, the longer I thought about it, so there it is!

12 Responses to “US vs. THEM”

  1. Thrifty Ray Says:
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    Clearly it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch...unfortunately, the one that cheats is the one that sticks in minds alot of the time.

    The only way to change perspective is education and you have done a fantastic job of educating with this post.

    Hopefully many will read your post and think again next time they start to judge.

  2. Broken Arrow Says:
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    I know what thread you're referring to, and I understand your sentiment. Thank you very much for sharing your experiences. It's easy to lose perspective sometimes, especially if you're someone who has never been through or seen such hardships....

  3. denisentexas Says:
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    There have been times in my life when I applied for, and received, food stamps. I never received AFDC or TANF but food stamps really got us through some very tough times, especially when my children were young. My husband worked full time and I was a stay home mom with three children, the youngest of whom was severely disabled and required special medical care 24 hours a day. Food stamps fed us and I'm thankful we had them! We didn't abuse the system in any way and as soon as my husband made more money I reported that increase, knowing we would be disqualified. Nope, not everyone abuses the system though many do. That's a shame, too. But people shouldn't see every recipient as a viper.. not all are.

  4. carol Says:
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    Thank you for a much needed and well said post. I don't think there is anything that I could add to what you said.

    For anyone to ass/u/me that everyone on any form of public assistance is a society leeching, Cadillac driving, mama is an insult to many people. I know there are those that cheat, but they do get caught, and very sadly they are the ones that give everyone else a bad name. Half the people in my hometown are on either Social Security benefits or some form of public assistance and they do NOT drive expensive cars, etc. I see many of them every month when I go to cash the $100 check that one of my children draws off their dad's Social Security Disability check. He is also on food stamps.

    I agree with you. It fries my potatoes when I see or read of people looking down their noses and worse yet trashing anyone on public assistance across the board.

    I came to this forum over a year ago to start trying to find some answers to our out of control spending and I have. I have learned what a budget is, how to set it up, and how to make it work for our circumstances. I am still working on the saving aspect(being able to build a savings of money,) but I have become very good at budgeting and managing money.

    The person who wrote such an inflammatory post needs badly to get his/her nose out of the air and take a real long, hard look at the average person/s on public assistance.

    'Nuff said.

  5. JanH Says:
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    I had a friend whose husband threatened their family with a gun. She had to flee and had to live with four wonderful kids on help. She got lots of rude stares from people and bad experiences with clerks (I'm sure not all are this way) because of it. There was such a stigma for someone just trying to save her family. I felt so bad for her and all like her who are just in a bad place. They shouldn't be punished for it. Someone here who complained to the media about the awful conditions she was living in since her landlord had not repaired any hurricane damage--she was evicted--he had told them they better not complain! Fortunately, she ended up with a place to go. The rest of his tenants haven't complained.....Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I, too, didn't feel comfortable with the post.

  6. fairy74 Says:
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    That is what I really love about this board, wherever people are in their financial life they are welcome and everyone feels able to post their questions /suggestions (without blaming anyone else for their finances or acting superior to anyone else)...there are so many helpful/thoughtful people here, that I really do hope the OP gets help with his financial issue but I couldn't let the "poor bashing" pass unnoticed.

  7. monkeymama Says:
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    I have family who had it very hard and were able to get on their feet with the help of welfare.

    Most of the people I know who made so little they qualified for assistance, there was not much to be jealous of their situation. I don't get the sentiment at all but I have never seen the system abused personally (Oh I Am sure it is but I know far more people who NEEDED the help).

    On the flip side I have often wondered why the heck so many people qualify for WIC. It just bugs me to an extent people leading such a middle class lifestyle taking free handouts. I know too many people who live quite well who qualify. I Think it is ridiculous. That's a system problem though really. Plus I figure if they truly make that little it will have to catch up with them eventually - how can they live such a fancy lifestyle if they make less than $30k/year - doesn't make sense.

    I don't have any jealousy or ill will to those on public assistance. I rather a few people get a little more and have a few abuse the system than not to help out anyone. Anyone who thinks they are too good and well off that they would never need help is naive and blind. IT could happen to anyone - just takes a big medical bill or a death in the family, a prolonged bad economy, etc. and many of us could be out on the street.

  8. MsSuperSaver Says:
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    My only pet peeve with people on welfare is women who have a child and are on welfare then just keep having more kids, all at taxpayer's expense. If you can't afford the first one then you certainly can't afford any more. The only people who should receive welfare (IMHO) are the old, the ill, children and single parents who get that way through no fault of their own (widowed, domestic violence, etc). I guess because my mother was a single parent who raised three kids without ever taking a handout or welfare, it reinforced to us that if you can work you need to work and not rely on others to take care of you.

  9. LuckyRobin Says:
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    My sister was on welfare for 2 years after fleeing a violent husband with her baby. They lived with my parents and I (I was still a teenager), my mother quit her job to watch the baby while my sister went to the vocational college (she got pell grants). Since my sister did not pay rent, she decided on her own to pay my mother a portion of her welfare for caring for the baby, and saved the rest until she got a job, and was able to rent a small house, at which time my mother gave her back all the money for watching the baby, she'd just socked it away in an account. She never had to go on welfare again. My sister had it lucky, she had us and welfare. Those that just have welfare, I don't know how they do it.

  10. katwoman Says:
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    Yes, there are abusers but the system helps the people who need it the most. And that's OK with me.

  11. pearlieq Says:
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    Reading thins like this just turns me inside out. I know people do abuse the system, but I'd rather pay for the abusers than have the truly needy go without. My mom fled a terrible marriage and we had WIC when I was very young. My mom got out, but I still remember government cheese quite fondly.

    With all that being said, I remember a thread here a while back where some woman mentioned she was on WIC or visiting food pantries or something like that and in the next sentence mentioned her $90 cable bill. That frosts my buns too! If you're poor enough to take assistance, you have no business paying for luxuries like that. I didn't say anything in the thread, mostly because I didn't want to deal with any resultant drama, but that stuck with me, and it helped me understand why some people are so wary of our aid programs.

  12. threebeansalad Says:
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    I must have missed that thread-- but I'm glad I did. It sounds like something that would have really upset me. WIC and Food Stamps are incredibly effective programs with a tremendous body of literature to support that conclusion. Most WIC and Food Stamp beneficiaries are CHILDREN. People who have resentment towards this programs are ill informed. Tell me all the antedotal evidence you want, I'll counter it with a pile of well researched, statistically sound data to prove otherwise.

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